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Tim Wegener's avatar

I appreciate you writing about this, if for no other reason, you are educating Americans who would not have any idea what is happening elsewhere in the world (And that's a topic all by itself).

I think you get at the real issue near the end of your writing. The conservative right in the U.S. does not make a good faith argument here. And I don't believe it's entirely for religious reasons that they wanted to get rid of Roe. Current actions by those same people indicate they want to get rid of contraceptives now also. It's not about religion as much as it seems to be about penalizing women for having sex and controlling women. It's power more than religion (although history has shown that religion is often weaponized for power, right?).

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Gérard Mclean's avatar

I grew up in that weird American Catholicism that Butker screeched from that commencement podium. It sounded perfectly “sane” in the context of my childhood and adolescence. Before Roe was decided, the nuns, priests, all the lay people in my TLM parish were militant against any suggestion that abortion was anything but murder. When Roe was handed down, the WAILING, the declaration of war against the secular, in fact they openly declared murdering an abortion doctor was justifiable because that killing saved thousands of babies. The language hasn’t changed, these Catholics have always said this. I tell people this and they tell me I’m crazy, that’s not what Catholicism is. Maybe, maybe not but it is my lived experience. Tell me you’re Catholic and I’ll immediately assume you’re a TLM Catholic with Butker beliefs — even if you’re not today, a little bit of power and I will bet every dime I have that you can be turned.

Catholics see themselves as the aristocracy of Christianity, the first church, the church of Peter, the church that is directly descended from Jesus Christ. Every other Christian denomination is a derivative, fake. This they also teach this, perhaps in whispers, but it’s an entrenched belief.

Catholics in America are scary. They are militant and … well, singularly focused on their immortal souls that can only be saved by saving other souls. Because God keeps score and will ask what your “soul count” is before He lets you into heaven.

America is cursed by two oceans that enables religious militants to develop without natural predators. Religion here is a poisonous pit that the rest of the world tosses its cast-aways into and has since the Dutch expelled the Puritans in what ,1620, because they were a poison there.

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